Tuesday, July 25, 2006

National identity?

Last Saturday I walked around the continental market in Newark, it was lovely, lots of different sounds and aroma’s in a bustling atmosphere. I perused lots of different French stalls selling meats and cheeses among other delicacies. The French traders periodically have a market in Newark and it’s always popular; whilst they speak to each other in French they make an effort to speak English whilst selling their wares.

It occurred to me how France has more national identity and culture than England, like Germany it’s keen to retain its customs, cultural ways and national pride. I then looked closer to home for answers but found myself thinking it was places like Wales, Scotland and Ireland that were more protective of their ways and cultures. Welsh is still widely spoken and taught and Scotland is still steeped in tradition. Ask a foreign person about English culture and they will probably say ‘fish and chips’. In the future how will England be known or perceived and will it still retain a national identity?

Newark is a market town close to the Lincolnshire border and surrounding it are vast tracts of farmland, the people now coming to work this farmland are mainly from eastern countries such as Poland who come to settle and work as cheap farming or factory labour. Delving deeper into the influx of east Europeans I found some disturbing facts.

Since 2004 an estimated 600,000 east Europeans have entered this country since the EU admitted 10 more countries back then and now Polish immigrants are the largest single group numbering 300,000.

The huge influx is rapidly changing the labour market especially in London and the south east; Slough council in Berkshire warned that its schools were struggling to cope after an estimated 10,000 east Europeans have arrived in the area in recent months. A friend of mine in Slough says that figure could be more and the high street there is full of foreign accents.

Next year Bulgaria and Romania are set to join the EU and it’s estimated by researchers that a staggering 45,000 ‘undesirables’ are already intending to pack their bags and head here with more to follow.

Now, I’m not racist, for the record my godfather is from the Caribbean and I love the multicultural identity Britain has, its unique in the world but I do feel if the trend continues that somewhere down the line we are going to lose any national identity we have. I’m all for diversity, its good to see Chinese and Indian restaurants or shops on the high street, they have become part of our culture but what lays ahead if the influx of immigrants continues?

Where I live there is a large Polish community, most came post war to work in the mines, they were hard working and integrated into society. Back in the 50’s and 60’s the government who realised we were short of labour invited Caribbean’s and Indians over to work doing jobs in the public service sector, mainly in London. These people still retained their cultural identity, enriched our culture by bringing their own here but yet they integrated well into our society. They worked hard and often became valued members of community such as doctors etc because education and opportunity was excellent here.

Now I’m not saying the new influx of east Europeans don’t work hard, in fact they work for the minimum wage doing jobs here that our native populace would ‘rather not’ so you have to commend the new immigrants for being industrious and hard working. On the flip side of the coin though you have to be aware a lot have set up crime networks trafficking people or drugs because it’s easy to do so here. We can’t take it as read that all enter this country with good intentions, many don’t. I’ve also witnessed instances where east Europeans come across as arrogant, in the bank the other day an east European guy was ranting in his native tongue at the bank teller, making no effort at all to try and speak English. Some seem aloof and arrogant in the fact they know they have it good here, a welfare state, national health and better shopping and housing than they have back home.

But this post isn’t about blaming east Europeans, the problem is with the government who have let it happen. Add this to the fact that some firms now often don’t look at English people to fill positions as a first choice, they go for cheap no nonsense labour that now seems readily available. Farmers and factory owners, corporate fat cats and people exploiters are also letting this happen, spurred on by relaxed laws and low wages – it means more profits for them after all. In this country there are around 3 million long term unemployed, there is also a pool of around 7 million Britons not working, some are single parent mothers, some have retired early and some are in full time education. So why isn’t the government using more initiatives to get our own people working, educated and trained?

Some people are saying ‘The Government is starting to put foreigner’s rights first and its citizens last’ but then again we have become a lazy nation in some respects with the cushion that is the easily exploited welfare state. Being well travelled I’ve noted that in other countries if you don’t work, you don’t eat – we have it so good here at times and take it for granted.

Niall Ferguson’s excellent ‘World at War’ made me think last night when he said we in western Europe are producing an average of one baby per family where in comparison some African and Middle Eastern families are producing up to eight per family. The disturbing fact is, as our population and work force shrinks other populations grow and are starting to look westward to resettle; parts of Europe have already been nicknamed ‘Eur-abia’.

So in looking to what the future may bring we have to look to past examples. When economies start to fall or governments struggle the populations begin to blame ethnic minorities for its problems. I could state examples such as Yugoslavia recent ethnic cleansing or also the fact that ethnic unrest there led to the first world war, we can look back at the Jews in Germany, to Cambodia or many African countries, its always ethnic minorities that bear the brunt of nationalist hatred when things go wrong.

Will the modern day humanistic society let this happen to this country or will we lapse and follow suit when things go wrong, are we heading for such a thing by letting so many immigrants into the country and not addressing fundamental problems closer to home?

And in closing, to go back to my initial first two paragraphs - are we becoming an apathetic nation who is losing its national identity?

8 comments:

Hobbit's Journal said...

Thanks, Some valued comments there though I do feel you are detracting from my blog a little.

Firstly, though the majority of immigrants work hard for little pay they do reap the benefits of our system. There are good immigrants and bad immigrants, the hard workers and the ones that want to traffic in women from the east to use as prostitutes among their other crimes. My base argument is that if the government allow immigration to continue at the present rate then in years to come this will cause conflict and a dilution of our core culture. I'm sure if an immigrant worker replaced you in your job you just might have something to say!

Secondly I wasn't writing about Britain as an empire. I was refering to our culture and traditions. As an empire I don't think we were any worse than other empires, after all the Romans, Stalin and Attila the hun were probably alot harsher - and didn't we abolish slavery before the States?

Lastly, I like the French outlook on things, if they are not happy they strike! I admire alot about the French, my blog wasn't about what they do with their food products but merely contained references to their cultural traditions and identity. To get involved in a protracted argument about France would mean another blog being written!

I'm no expert on politics but a lot of research went into this blog and some of it is my opinion and what I 'perceive'. I also realise that this blog is not the usual stuff I post but on occasion I feel strongly about some issues, immigration being one.

This blog may not be to everyones taste (though when I hesitated before posting a friend said it was tame) so I apologise if it offends and respect any opinions others may have to offer.

Celadine said...

I did say tame and I still stand by it. Sorry Thulsa but just wait until it hits you wherever you live like it has hit me, my beloved countryside is being wrecked by greedy farmers and their cheap imported labour....don't get me started lol. Caroline I loved visiting the USA, but you too are right, every cab I had, only one native American..

ems said...

I have been back to read this post a couple of times and don't know where to start in terms of commenting. A couple of things I agree with and much I don't. I'm trying to get my ideas together in a coherent fashion - I'll be back!

TM said...

I saw your comment posted on Luna CHick's blog. I liked your comments and so I visited your blog. I just read this series of posts, and I was planning on posting about the similarity between your country's immigration issue and ours (USA) when I saw Caroline's. I agree with you, I have no problem with immigrants. It's what our country was based on...the old melting pot, right? But it irritates me no end that many of them have refused to learn the language, and we are bending over backwards to enable them. Everything is in English and Spanish, now...signs, phone instructions, even ATMs. I believe that if you live in a country other than your own native, then you should learn the language and the customs and use them whenever necessary. This does not mean giving up your culture or traditions or even your language. It is a dilemma and is frought with emotion on both sides. Slightly off track, check out Badly Draw Boy's video, "Year of The Rat." I wish bringing peace to all humankind were as easy as it is in the video.

pat said...

to be honest it is too late (or perhaps to early) for me to post rationally about this.

ems has said it before me there are things that are valid in it and there are things that are not valid.

while i disagree with the tone (and i may be doing jay a diservice here) of the "bad immigrant" as if the indigenous host population is somehow comprised of only angels.

i think the time has come to have the debate about the question of immigration and its associated issues.

i am of irish extraction (and possibly east european jewish extraction - which means when it comes to being guilty i am totally fucked), but neither of these define me. i see myself as english. why? it is the country i was born in, educated in, work in and live in.

my mum (irish) suffered intense racism when she came over in the 50s. yet in her later life she was a racist. my dad (english - but maybe from east european stock) wasn't so much of a racist but an imperialist. my "socialism" is probably a reaction against them both.

but (and here is where i somehow become old tory man) there is an element of perhaps throwing the baby out with the bathwater in desire to be "pc" about the questions of race and immigration. in doing so we may have, as jay argues, have lost our national culture and identity.

(a sidebar digression here - when i last heard this being debated on radio 5 there was a lot of talk about our national identity being described in abstact terms such as tolerant, fair etc as if this was a bad and as if france, america or inida could describe themselves any better in concrete terms..)

to be fair while i think there has been a certain erosion of "national identity" because of the issues of immigration (though it could easily be argued that the english have been a nation of immigrant for centuries - we only have to look at the royal family for proof of that) i believe more of the blame has to be laid at the feet of the thatcher government. who helped to destroy communities and set us on the path to where we are now.

interestingly the guardian ran a piece about dr reid wanting to open a sensible discussion on immigration where he declared it was possible to have a sensible discussion about it without being racist. the comment seemed to argue well yes you could have such a discussion but it couldn't come from the government. if not them then who?

i have rambled on here.
i may have to return to this on my own blog.

Hobbit's Journal said...

Thanks Pat for your comments, in fact thanks to everyone who commented. I did hesitate about posting this blog and in some ways after I posted it I felt I needed to add to it and justify myself more. I've mused on things over the last few days and now I guess I'm glad I posted it.

Like Pat, I have some Irish (and French) roots in there too though I believe my family background is predominantly English, there's no current links with my cultural origins at all apart from my Irish surname.

Pat is right to say we are a nation of immigrants, historically speaking we are and this country is probably culturally richer for it. I hope I didn't offend any Americans either with what I wrote, I didn't even consider America's immigrant back ground when making comparisons but I do welcome American views on a multi-cultural society as they have a lot more experience of it.

In closing I firmly believe it isn't a good idea to let any more immigrant workers in without good reason. I am also against foreigners that do not want to integrate with our society yet are happy taking from it.

I love the multi-cultural society we have, it makes us a great nation but we have to be clincal at times and look to the future and the pit falls that await if we continue to allow more immigrants in. I hope everyone sees this blog as more political than rascist.

pat said...

now i know you have french in you - you can bugger off back where you came from... bloody foreigner.

Hobbit's Journal said...

Just been doing some more research and reading up on things. Home Secretary John Reid rightly says it's not racist to talk about immigration and acknowledges the fact that immigrants have bought much needed skills to the country but also states that many want to come here to use our system. I guess that was the main point of my blog.

Looking at immigrant demographics, from 2001, figures show that 7.5% of the population then were born outside of the UK. I'm sure those figures are alot higher now, the real figures being unknown.